Ask the skilled: Sensitivity | Wonderful If

Jenn Granneman: Oh, thanks, yeah, that is such a pleasant praise.  Thanks.

Helen Tupper: So, the e book is all about being delicate.  One of many issues that struck me after I was studying it, significantly the primary couple of chapters, most likely the primary chapter, I used to be like, “Oh, perhaps I’ve had a really slender definition to this point of what it means to be delicate”, as a result of I actually really feel that you just sort of increase what it means when somebody is delicate.  So, to begin with, once we’re describing somebody as a delicate individual, what will we really imply; what does it imply out of your perspective?

Jenn Granneman: Proper, so I believe you are not alone in having a slender concept of what sensitivity is.  I discovered that after I was writing my e book, lots of people had misconceptions about what it means to be a delicate individual.  They thought it meant that you just cried on a regular basis, or that you just had been somebody who received simply offended.  However that is not what we’re saying once we’re speaking concerning the trait of sensitivity.  So, when you’re a delicate individual or a extremely delicate individual, it merely means your physique and thoughts reply extra to the world round you.  You reply extra to heartbreak, ache, and loss, however you additionally reply extra to magnificence, new concepts, and pleasure.  So, in different phrases, your thoughts is wired to go deep, the place different folks’s may solely skim the floor.  And a whole lot of this deep processing that you just do is automated and unconscious, so that you may not even realise that you just’re doing it.  However delicate folks choose up on particulars round them, they could choose up on different folks’s feelings or social cues, they usually typically mirror on that info extra, then their brains are in a position to do extra with it.

Helen Tupper: You realize what, that is actually fascinating.  Listening to you speak about it, I’m going, “Oh, that sounds sensible”, , delicate folks choose up on particulars that different folks do not, and delicate persons are actually good at deep processing.  I am like, “Wow!”  However I do not suppose that may be a generally held perception at work.  I do not suppose we go round a company atmosphere going, “Oh, is not it nice to be delicate?”  In truth, I believe generally it is used virtually fairly a damaging, like, “Oh, Helen’s being a bit delicate”, , that sort of time period.  Why do you suppose that’s; why have we taken this trait of sensitivity and turned it into one thing virtually seen as damaging?

Jenn Granneman: I believe it goes again to the misconceptions about sensitivity.  Delicate folks definitely do really feel feelings in a robust approach generally.  So yeah, perhaps generally they’re getting tears of their eyes at work, or perhaps they’re reacting to one thing a bit of bit extra, or needing a bit of additional time to reply a query, or needing a bit of additional time to adapt to some kind of change.  We have regarded on the downsides or the challenges of sensitivity and we’ve not been celebrating the presents and the strengths of it sufficient.

Helen Tupper: How do I do know if I’m delicate?  One of many issues that I used to be studying within the e book that I assumed was actually fascinating was fairly an extended checklist of actually good inquiries to ask of your self to see whether or not you establish as a delicate individual.  What are a few of these questions that folks listening might ask themselves in the event that they’re like, “Oh, do I course of deeply?  Do I tune into a few of these issues that you just’re speaking about?”  What kind of issues do they ask themselves to establish as a delicate individual?

Jenn Granneman: There’s a good guidelines in our e book within the first chapter, so I might encourage folks to show there if they need the entire guidelines, however I can provide you a rundown of a few of these issues on the guidelines.  If you happen to’re a delicate individual, you may pause earlier than performing in order that your mind can have time to do its work; you’re somebody who may discover delicate particulars, like a slight distinction in shade between brush strokes on a portray, or an expression that simply rapidly vanishes out of your co-worker’s face; when you’re delicate, you may really feel sturdy feelings, you might need a tough time shaking intense feelings like anger or fear. However on the flip facet, you are feeling pleasure and happiness in a extra intense approach; you’ve got a whole lot of empathy, even in direction of strangers, or perhaps folks you solely hear about within the information; delicate folks simply put themselves in different folks’s sneakers; after which, on account of that empathy and people sturdy feelings, different folks’s moods can actually have an effect on you, you may take up feelings from different folks and virtually tackle their emotions in your personal physique as when you’re feeling them your self.  However, , there are some challenges to sensitivity. 

So when you’re a delicate individual, you may really feel confused or fatigued in loud, busy environments, like as an example, a crowded shopping center, a live performance, a restaurant, or simply perhaps like a bustling workplace that may be draining and fatiguing to a delicate individual.  So that you want a whole lot of downtime to take care of your vitality. If you happen to’re delicate, even when you’re an extroverted delicate individual, you might be introverted or extroverted, even when you take into account your self to be extroverted and delicate, you may nonetheless have to withdraw from different folks generally with the intention to calm your senses down and course of your ideas, as a result of that downtime is actually necessary.  There’s extra, however I’ll depart it at that for now.

Helen Tupper: I suppose from a piece perspective, , I used to be speaking about, I believe that is virtually the standard narrative about, “That individual’s a bit delicate”.  Like I say, it is virtually a bit derogatory about what that trait can imply.  However after I was studying the e book, you are actually specific about really that delicate folks deliver large profit to organisations.  Like, if we are able to deal with this trait as a expertise, then really we are able to actually acknowledge the worth it brings to groups.  And so I ponder when you can share a bit of bit about if we create an atmosphere the place sensitivity is seen as a expertise, what’s the profit that brings to companies?

Jenn Granneman: Yeah, I believe there’s an enormous profit delicate folks can deliver to companies.  There was an fascinating research that we talked about within the e book.  It discovered that delicate folks had been typically named among the many prime performers within the office.  However then again, they had been additionally those who had been feeling essentially the most burned out.  So, we have got these excessive performers, they usually’re additionally feeling the stress of the work atmosphere.  So, delicate folks, they’ll deliver a whole lot of wonderful skills to the office. If you happen to’re somebody who notices particulars, proper, nicely, you are going to discover issues that different folks miss.  If you happen to’re somebody who’s a heat and empathetic individual, you are going to have the ability to have good relationships with the folks round you.  And delicate persons are typically good at, I wish to say predicting issues, proper?  Not that they are thoughts readers or fortune tellers, however they discover patterns and tendencies and particulars, their minds are sometimes very intuitive.  So, typically they are often the one who can say, “Hey, this could be what’s coming down the street”, and I believe a few of that future forecasting might be actually useful in sure roles too.  Mainly delicate folks, they’ll present a whole lot of strengths and I actually hope that we are able to get previous this concept that sensitivity is one thing that you do not need to be, and as a substitute begin celebrating these strengths of delicate folks.

Helen Tupper: I actually like the purpose about future forecasting, as a result of I suppose they’re seeing issues in several folks’s views, they’re in a position to see these situations and suppose them by means of and sort of perhaps an evaluation of the impression.  That is such necessary expertise as a result of I believe work is so busy, and I say this as kind of like a busy-brained individual.  I do not suppose I’m a delicate individual.  I hope it means I am not insensitive, however I do not suppose I’m a delicate individual.  My mind may be very tuned into the now and the doing, and I actually admire a whole lot of what you are saying about what delicate folks can deliver.  I do not suppose they’re a few of my pure skills. So, I believe my enterprise associate, Sarah, I believe she is a delicate individual.  I really have not requested and answered all of the questions within the e book, however I ought to try this afterwards.  However I believe collectively we’re higher, as a result of I am sort of pacey and within the second and I am going to counsel issues.  However I believe as a result of she is a delicate individual, she considers the implications of it greater than me. 

She kind of sees the ripples of my function a bit of bit greater than I do, and it is actually, actually useful, as a result of I sort of have that drive and that readability and that momentum and she or he has the sensitivity to see the impression of all of it in a approach that I do not routinely do.  And I see that, I am like, if that is me and Sarah, , we’re a small workforce and a small firm, however when you take that to a big organisation, you’ve got that respect for what totally different folks deliver and also you construct groups primarily based on that sort of variety.  I actually suppose that that results in higher outcomes.

Jenn Granneman: Oh, I really like that.  Yeah, I imply, she positively seems like a delicate individual from the little that I am listening to about her.  However yeah, it sort of goes again to the thought to have delicate folks reflecting extra on issues, , needing a bit of extra time themselves to reply a query or course of what is going on on round them.  Lots of instances they are often those who’re saying, “Okay, maintain on a minute.  Let’s wait, all people.  Gradual it down, calm it down.  Let’s take a minute to mirror on this earlier than we decide”.  And I believe that may deliver actually good steadiness to sure groups.

Helen Tupper: I do not know when you’ve accomplished any analysis within the space, however a few months in the past, we did a podcast on Neurodiversity within the Office.  And we had a extremely fascinating individual speaking to us, Dr Samantha Hiew, about ADHD.  In my head, I am kind of becoming a member of just a few dots between what you are saying about delicate persons are processing an terrible lot of knowledge as a result of they’re absorbing a lot round them due to that stimulation, and it actually resonates with me with what Samantha was saying about, folks with ADHD, they’re doing that on a regular basis, they’re so stimulated by what is going on on round them.  And he or she additionally talked about very excessive performing, however typically very liable to burnout, and that might be, for somebody with ADHD, that was sort of a sample of their behaviour as a result of absorbing a lot, high-achieving, burnout, after which it is a repeated sample.  Have you ever seen something that connects, or the sensitivity and perhaps a few of these components of neurodiversity in any respect in your work?

Jenn Granneman: I can not say that I do know that there’s any connection between sensitivity and ADHD, as in like, “Oh, people who find themselves delicate usually tend to have ADHD”, or one thing like that.  I do not know of any connection like that.  I do take into account sensitivity to be a type of neurodiversity and I can definitely see a number of the connections between processing a whole lot of info but additionally feeling burned out.  That is an fascinating matter to contemplate.

Helen Tupper: So simply when it comes to work then, after I’m enthusiastic about sensitivity as a expertise in work, are there issues which might be widespread ways in which we construction work or handle work, I do not know, if that is from conferences to the best way that managers do issues, that perhaps work towards individuals who have sensitivity as traits or as a expertise, as I would like to consider it; is there something that kind of occurs as a little bit of a norm which is not actually very useful?

Jenn Granneman: Yeah, I believe there are some issues that happen within the typical office that make it difficult for delicate folks.  I believe generally simply the tempo of the work atmosphere might be robust for delicate folks as a result of, like we have talked about, delicate folks wish to take their time.  They wish to mirror on issues.  Generally they’ll even be a little bit of a perfectionist, proper?  Lots of instances they may dislike that feeling of being rushed they usually want to do issues rigorously.  And naturally, you do not have to be a delicate individual to not like being rushed, however being rushed tends so as to add an additional layer of stimulation to the delicate individual on prime of all the opposite stimulation they’re already taking in. I believe generally, simply being in an atmosphere the place there are lots of people can really feel draining to a delicate individual, so perhaps when you’re within the workplace and there is folks round you, and even simply you are doing a whole lot of on-line conferences in a day; you take in all that info all that social info, you take in details about the opposite individual’s way of thinking, their temper, their feelings, and also you’re reflecting on all of it.  And when you’re a delicate individual, you’ve got empathy, you are maybe enthusiastic about that different individual’s perspective.  And simply doing that every one day lengthy, repeatedly, that may be actually tiring.

I used to be a instructor for just a few years earlier than I returned again to a writing profession.  I really like my college students, nevertheless it was actually draining for me simply to cope with all of the feelings occurring within the classroom in any given day.  After which I believe generally simply the bodily atmosphere itself might be draining for delicate folks.  You realize, our workspace will not be essentially introvert-friendly, or not introvert-friendly, delicate person-friendly, but additionally not introvert-friendly.  We had been speaking about introverts earlier, so now that is on my mind.  However , the lights, the noise, simply sort of the gray, drab decor, perhaps chairs which might be uncomfortable, or simply overhearing coworkers continuously, though I do know lots of people are working remotely today.  So, I believe on some stage, that may assist alleviate a few of these bodily atmosphere issues.  However it is not all the time straightforward to do business from home too, as a result of perhaps you share an area with different folks, perhaps you’ve got neighbours who’re making noise.  So yeah, when your mind takes in a lot and it is processing a lot, on a regular basis or widespread issues that would not essentially drain another person can really feel draining to a delicate individual.

Helen Tupper: It makes me take into consideration these firms that I’ve labored in and the those who I’ve labored with.  I believe I’ve labored in some actually giant organisations the place a lot of change has gone on.  I labored with Microsoft, for instance, through the largest organisational change.  It does make me suppose, for a delicate individual, I’ll name myself insensitive, however for me as an insensitive individual —

Jenn Granneman: I might not name you insensitive!

Helen Tupper: I do know, I do not know what to name myself.

Jenn Granneman: Name your self no matter you need.

Helen Tupper: However mainly, I actually recognize the expertise, however I do not suppose it is me naturally.  So, I’m going by means of these intervals of change, actually vital change, and I believe a part of me sort of says, “Oh, that is simply what huge organisations do, it is simply what we undergo within the work right here, we have simply received to sort of discover our approach by means of this”, and that is kind of my boundaries round it.  However it actually makes me suppose, really a delicate individual, most likely feeling extra of this impression for themselves, as a result of extra of that is affecting them in additional methods.  However I might think about they’re additionally feeling different folks’s feelings too. So, these intervals of change in giant organisations are most likely a lot more durable for a delicate individual to undergo than any individual like me, who I’ll categorise as insensitive.  I do not suppose I take up fairly a lot.  So, the opposite stimulation and what different folks could be kind of experiencing, it isn’t pure that that sort of involves me.

Jenn Granneman: Yeah, that is sensible.  Change might be additional difficult for delicate folks as a result of when issues are altering, there’s new stimulation to cope with.  There’s new procedures, there’s new methods of doing issues, new routines, new ideas to know.  The delicate mind may be very hardworking and alter means new info to soak up.  Change is difficult for everybody, proper?  However when you’re delicate, it may well add an additional layer of complication.

Helen Tupper: If you happen to had been a supervisor, so clearly a pink flag of the place somebody may want some extra help could be in instances of change, as a result of a delicate individual may discover there’s extra stimulation in that state of affairs, so may want some totally different help, in order that might be a little bit of a pink flag for a supervisor.  But when a supervisor is pondering, “What might I do in a different way?  I have never actually considered sensitivity on this approach earlier than.  I need to ensure that I assist the folks in my workforce and delicate folks in my workforce to be at their finest”, what might they do when it comes to how they could handle the working week or the conferences that they do, that would assist set all people, however particularly on this context, delicate folks, up for fulfillment?

Jenn Granneman: Each delicate individual is totally different.  So if there are managers listening to this, I might say, discuss to your delicate staff, ask them straight what they want, as a result of every one among them may say one thing a bit of totally different.  However normally, I believe delicate folks do nicely after they have extra time, time to adapt to vary, proper, extra time to finish a challenge and even reply to an e-mail or reply to a query.  That is to not say that we simply let delicate folks miss deadlines or one thing like that, however a whole lot of instances their minds simply want a bit of additional beat or a bit of additional time to mirror earlier than making a choice. I believe delicate persons are additionally particularly tuned in to the feelings and the relationships in any sort of workforce.  So, if there’s some kind of toxicity within the workforce atmosphere, I believe that may get actually carrying on delicate folks.  Lots of instances we speak about, “The lights are too brilliant and the noises are too loud”, and that’s true to some extent, however these bodily issues are simpler to repair, proper?  Flip the lights down or perhaps put on headphones or, , they’re a bit of extra easy to repair.  However I believe it is a whole lot of instances these feelings and people relationships that aren’t so easy, easy fixes that may be carrying on delicate folks.  So, I might have common check-ins with delicate staff, ensure they really feel secure and cozy coming to you with issues, and simply total attempt to domesticate an emotionally and mentally wholesome work tradition for them.

Helen Tupper: Within the e book as nicely, you talked about that managers might assist give folks permission to job-craft, and that permission to craft their roles may be fairly an necessary approach of participating a delicate individual.  May you share a bit of bit extra about why that’s; why does job-crafting work for delicate folks significantly nicely?

Jenn Granneman: Yeah, so I believe delicate folks typically have that thoughts towards enthusiastic about how one thing might be improved.  And so job-crafting provides them an opportunity to vary the best way they do duties or perhaps even change a number of the duties they do.  Job-crafting additionally may also help them, , simply change who they could work together with or how they could work together with these folks.  And a whole lot of instances it is just a bit change which may make a giant distinction for a delicate individual.  Possibly it is permitting them to dam out just a few hours day by day to have uninterrupted time to work as a substitute of scheduling conferences throughout that point or anticipating e-mail or Slack responses. I believe delicate persons are typically significantly drawn to discovering that means of their work.  And naturally, proper, all people needs to do work that is significant.  No one needs to really feel like their job is meaningless or the trouble they’re doing is for nothing.  However delicate folks typically have a extremely sturdy want for that means of their work.  There was some fascinating analysis that we speak about within the e book about how a researcher adopted round janitors in a hospital.  And people who had been completely satisfied about their jobs had been those who had discovered methods to consider their jobs in a extra significant approach.  So their work wasn’t simply sweeping the corridor or cleansing the bogs, they had been enthusiastic about their job when it comes to, “I am creating an atmosphere which might be going to assist sufferers heal and get well”.  So, they had been enthusiastic about the bigger function behind the actions they had been taking day by day. In that approach, I believe delicate folks can search for the that means that they’ve of their jobs, perhaps by enthusiastic about the bigger function of their work.  Anytime we are able to discover that private that means, like “I did one thing at this time that made somebody’s day go a bit of smoother.  Possibly I did not treatment world starvation, however I made somebody’s day go a bit of smoother at this time by what I did”.  So, any approach that we are able to discover that that means or craft that that means into our work, I believe goes to assist delicate folks within the office.

Helen Tupper: What else do you suppose a delicate individual might do to set themselves up for fulfillment?

Jenn Granneman: Whereas we talked about job-crafting, we talked about searching for significant work, I believe overstimulation tends to be one thing that delicate folks wrestle with within the office.  Like I mentioned, they want a bit of bit extra time to course of and work might be quick paced.  There might be a whole lot of calls for, initiatives to finish, individuals who want your consideration.  So, I believe delicate folks really want to guard themselves from overstimulation, even to have a look and say, am I chronically overstimulated?  Is my job creating continual overstimulation in me, which places continual stress on the physique?  We’re all going to cope with overstimulation occasionally, whether or not we’re delicate or not, however delicate persons are extra inclined to it. So, I believe delicate folks have to have good routines and rituals to assist them calm over stimulation as a result of it will occur, proper?  Like, it doesn’t matter what you do to attempt to shield your time and handle your self, it will occur as a result of issues occur.  So, I wish to encourage delicate folks to tune into their physique and their feelings.  I believe a whole lot of instances we have been educated to disregard alerts from our our bodies.  We push by means of once we’re drained, we do not cease to eat once we’re hungry, or we dismiss emotions that come up once we’re interacting with a selected individual, as a result of we have been informed to toughen up, we have been informed our feelings are too huge or we’re overreacting.  So, a whole lot of instances delicate folks have been educated to disregard these alerts. I believe top-of-the-line issues that delicate folks can do is to simply begin tuning in and making an attempt to note earlier than they actually tip over into full-blown overstimulation, proper?  Possibly they’ll really feel their stress meter rising a bit of bit and earlier than they change into very overstimulated, that is after they need to take a break or do some self-care or step away for a second or do no matter helps them to really feel extra emotionally regulated.

Jenn Granneman: I believe generally it is about transferring on, , all that sort of tempo is like on to the following factor, on to the following factor.  And I believe it is actually fascinating that fairly than transfer on, that tune-in is a extremely necessary factor for a delicate individual to know, but additionally a supervisor perhaps to find time for, like you have to give that person who area.  It isn’t like they’re transferring on on a regular basis, it isn’t going to assist a delicate individual really feel their finest. I used to be speaking earlier about gathering dots and connecting dots, listening to you, it is reminding me, ages in the past, a few years in the past now, we had somebody on a podcast referred to as Alex Pang, who’s written a e book referred to as Relaxation, and he talks about this concept of lively relaxation, and the extra I received into it, there was an ideal TED Discuss concerning the seven various kinds of relaxation.  And I ponder whether it could be, I do not know when you’ve come throughout it, or it could be useful to folks, nevertheless it talks about there’s various kinds of relaxation that we’d want.  So, there could be psychological relaxation, such as you’ve received a lot pondering, there is a new challenge occurring; or for instance, sensory relaxation that we have talked about; or generally, it could be emotional relaxation, when you’re with lots of people who perhaps you are carrying lots of people’s feelings; or non secular relaxation, like perhaps you feel like you have not received that sort of sense of function, you feel a bit of bit misplaced.  And simply when it comes to that, stimulation can come from a lot of totally different locations, subsequently the remaining that folks want could be fairly particular. I would ensure — we create a PodSheet for all of our episodes and simply in case it helps folks, I would hyperlink to that TED Discuss, as a result of if somebody’s feeling actually overstimulated proper now, then the kind of relaxation they could want might be fairly particular to them.  And I believe that TED Discuss may assist folks establish what does good relaxation seem like for me proper now, in addition to the factors you are saying about tuning into how your physique and thoughts is responding to the state of affairs.

Jenn Granneman: Oh, I really like that.  I need to see that TED Discuss myself.

Helen Tupper: I’ll ship it to you.  I am going to ship it to you after this dialog, as a result of it is a good one.  It is one I’m going again to rather a lot, really.  So, I believe I am positively quite a bit clearer from having learn the e book and speaking to you at this time, about sensitivity is a trait and a expertise, and that what delicate folks can deliver to the organisation is that this means to see issues from different views, to choose up on the element, and to kind of dive a bit deeper; and that managers may also help delicate folks by creating some area and serving to them to craft their function round them; and that delicate folks themselves may also help themselves to be at their finest by tuning into how they’re responding to conditions and the way they’re feeling about it, maybe fairly than feeling that they’ve to maneuver on actually rapidly.  Are there every other suggestions or insights that you just suppose are necessary for folks listening to find out about sensitivity?

Jenn Granneman: One of many greatest messages I need to ship is that sensitivity is a power.  We frequently see it as a weak spot, we see it as a flaw or one thing that must be mounted, however delicate folks have unimaginable strengths and quite a bit to supply the world, and I hope we are able to begin seeing it because the present and the profit that it’s.

Helen Tupper: I really like that, thanks and that may be a actually pretty place to finish, however earlier than we do finish, we all the time ask our friends on our podcast for a chunk of recommendation that has helped them of their profession and it may be linked to sensitivity, or it may be one thing fully totally different to that.  However is there a chunk of recommendation as assist to you which may assist our listeners too?

Jenn Granneman: You realize, I can communicate to my very own profession.  I used to be a journalist for just a few years, I did newspaper reporting and modifying.  Then I jumped into advertising, then I jumped into educating, after which I went again to writing and I began my first weblog, referred to as introvertdear.com, the place I wrote about introversion and sensitivity.  After which slowly that began to take off, and I give up being a instructor and I began working for myself full time.  I might say do not be afraid to attempt issues.  I needed to leap round quite a bit in my time working, and I simply saved searching for issues that excited me.  And I saved tuning into myself too.  I cherished educating, I cherished my college students and the relationships I’ve with them, it felt very significant to me as a delicate individual.  Whereas, advertising simply didn’t really feel very significant to me. On the identical time, being a instructor, it received actually draining.  And for some time I wasn’t honouring my physique and honouring the fatigue that I felt on the finish of the day.  So yeah, I simply needed to attempt a whole lot of various things, I needed to fail at a whole lot of various things, I needed to change course a whole lot of instances, however I simply saved making an attempt to tune in to myself and see how my physique reacted to various things and comply with what I used to be enthusiastic about.

Helen Tupper: Feels prefer it’s to attempt issues and tune in, it is feels prefer it’s a pleasant mind-set about it.

Jenn Granneman: Yeah, that is an ideal abstract.

Helen Tupper: It is also very supportive of the Squiggly Profession philosophy as nicely, which is the strikes we make enable us to gather a lot of knowledge for our improvement, and it sounds such as you had been doing a lot of that too.

Jenn Granneman: I believe I used to be.  Yeah, I believe I used to be doing that on a private stage in my very own life.

Helen Tupper: Jenn, thanks a lot for speaking to us concerning the e book and your insights on the podcast.  We actually, actually recognize your time, and I do know it will join with a lot of folks.  Apart from discovering the e book, is there anyplace else that our listeners can go in the event that they need to study extra?

Jenn Granneman: Sure, yow will discover me on Instagram below my identify, @jenngranneman.  You may also go to my weblog, introvertdear.com, such as you’re writing a letter.  And yow will discover my e book, Delicate, wherever books are bought.

Helen Tupper: Wonderful.  Thanks.  And we’ll put all of the hyperlinks to all of these issues in each the present notes, the podcast, and likewise on the PodSheet that comes with the episode too.  Thanks a lot once more, Jenn.

Jenn Granneman: Superior, thanks.  This was pretty.

Helen Tupper: Thanks a lot for listening.  I hope you discover it actually fascinating.  I hope it is made you concentrate on sensitivity perhaps barely totally different than you probably did at first of the episode.  As I mentioned proper at first, if you wish to get any of the hyperlinks that we talked about, finest place is the PodSheet; that’s on our web site, amazingif.com and go to the podcast web page and you’ll discover it.  And when you’ve received any suggestions on the episode or recommendations for future episodes, simply e-mail us; we’re helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com.  However I will probably be again subsequent week with pretty Sarah to speak to you about one other matter on the podcast.  Bye for now.